What do you want?

[Ehzoterik]

What sort of articles do you want for the Library?

I have at my disposal a good couple dozen or more definitions of role-playing terms and such.  Things FFRP related such as the standard definitions of OOC and IC that are already listed.  The Library section could be made really huge, but I don't want to spam the crap out of it with unwanted information.

[Alysia]

My attention recently was drawn to your LiveJournal, Ehz, and as you recognized, I saw your entry and read it.  You were very, very clear about this project's "pathetic attempts at chronicling Rhydin" and the "petty and Nazi regime-esque" "hard ass dictators" administration here; this was "just not a site that (you) could support", and you wanted all your articles removed after you had a chance to copy them.

I also appreciated your lengthy news article at Mutual Endeavors exhorting people to pick and choose between Encyclopedia Rhydinica, which is apparently superior for its number of articles and the "liberty to present your intellectual property in a manner of your choosing", compared to Rhydin Wiki, which you think has a "buttload of restrictions".

We have fielded concerns from several members who were hesitant to contribute to this wiki lest they get dragged into an argument with you over editing an article or otherwise publicly insulted, mocked, lambasted or derogated by you on Mutual Endeavors or your LiveJournal.  With the ire you've expressed against this Wiki and the administration here, I'm not sure why you'd want to contribute anything to the Library or any other section of this project.   

And I'm not sure why we would - or should - want you to.

[Ehzoterik]

Yes, everybody! Look!  I have a LiveJournal!  I said some mean things in this ONE post that you can see.  I also said some other less than nice things in other posts that the wide public cannot see.  Unless someone on my filter copied and pasted those into an email and sent them to you.  I purposely left that one post unfiltered!  Oh no!  Once upon a time I said some really mean things about this project.  Do you really want me to continue saying mean things about it?  I didn't think so.

The news article, like my LiveJournal entry, was nothing but my own personal opinion.  I'm an individual.  I'm allowed to have those.  It's my God-given, American-born right, to be able to have and express my opinions however I so choose.  On my LiveJournal I did state that this was not a project I could support.  Sure. We all say things.  The reason why I said that, precisely, is because of the attitude you're expressing toward me.  This right here is a fine example.  God forbid I be an individual, think for myself, and have my own opinion.

I suspect this response will be deleted forthwith, and I'll likely be given another vacation some time very soon simply because I have a mind of my own and am not afraid to speak it.

On my LiveJournal, my own personal space, I will not censor myself.  Deal with it.  On [http://www.mutualendeavors.org]Mutual Endeavors[/url] I merely report the facts as I see them.  The truth at the time was that the Encyclopedia Rhydinica did indeed have many more articles than this project here.  In fact, it still does.

However, they are two projects both working toward the same goal.  I may not like the way you run this one, but I am offering to share with you the information I have to help perfect the facts and not limit the documentation of Rhydin to any one source.  Rhydin is more than Dragon's Mark and the RDI.  I want to help people see that, to know the truth of that.

I may not agree with the way you run this project.  I may not agree with your policies.  But I do have, in my possession, information that I am willing to share.  Not my own personal characters.  Not my own personal storylines, that I share and participate in with other people, and the information related to them.  No.  But I do have general role-play related information that I feel may be of some use to you.

You can take my offer or leave it.

[Alysia]

Ehz-

We generally don't delete posts here, so barring something really consequential in this thread, it will remain.

After the disdain you've so publicly and repeatedly voiced about this project and the administrators here - and after quite intentionally making your ire public - I am not at all interested in what you might have to offer. 

If you want to spend your time "saying mean things" about or otherwise dissing RhydinWiki, go for it.  But don't expect this "pathetic" project to welcome your contributions after you've done so. 

You make your own choices.  If your goal here is to prove to the Intarwebz that you are an angry young woman with mind of her own and not afraid to speak that mind,  or to show the world how brave you are for disregarding this site's policies, or that by inviting another involuntary vacation you're proving a point about how evil the administration here is, you should understand this: there will be consequences to your actions. 

Speaking of making choices, there are also other projects you can support where your vital rights to argue, complain, denounce, debate, whinge, and lambast will not be stifled. I believe you will be happier sharing your knowledge there. 

So, take it or leave it? I'll leave it. 

Thanks.


-The hard-ass dictator

[Ehzoterik]

I'm impolite and I make fun of everyone.  So says one of my LJ icons.

You're the one having hard feelings over something I said on my personal journal three weeks ago.  That is not my problem.

Here's something else I said once upon a time: role-playing is like work.  You don't have to like the people you work with, but you still have to tolerate each other in order to get the job done.  Do you want facts, as you told me from the beginning?  Or do you want to limit yourself?

If you don't want what I have to offer, then you might want to go through your articles and review what has already been submitted.  In particular: many of the references back to Mutual Endeavors.  If you hate me so much and don't want anything to do with me or anything I have to offer, maybe you should also rethink your membership to that organization since I am the founder, I did create it, and a lot of my opinions are expressed over there as well.

Am I saying do these things?  No.  Just as I did not tell you to delete my contributions to certain other articles on this wiki.  I specifically listed the ones I wanted removed.  I did not in any way suggest that I wanted everything I contributed to this database to be removed.  You drew that own conclusion on your own.

Stop making assumptions.

[admin]

This community does not need members who are impolite and make fun of people, particularly considering I have fielded concerns from users who do not want to risk contributing here only to be bashed by you, Ehzoterik, on another site because you cannot handle criticism of your work or communicate politely or professionally about your peers here. 

I will ask you once to behave cordially like the rest of the users on this site, watching your tone to avoid being argumentative, contentious, or trolling, and being sure you understand the community guidelines and style guide for our articles.  They are not particularly complicated documents. 

This is an attempt to guide you in the behavior we expect from our contributors. 

If you are unable to follow the guidelines everyone else on this site manages to follow, you will not be permitted to access the site.  Honestly, your contributions here thus far have not been anything I would personally be begging you to submit more of.  If this should be the case, I trust you will put your energy to worthy use elsewhere and wish you the best.

[Ehzoterik]

I am not responsible for the feelings of others.  A shame that people feel I would indeed do as you suggest.  I cannot assuage those concerns.  The only way to know for certain is to get over those fears and test the waters.  Just because I am here should be no reason for people to hide.

I was behaving perfectly cordially until this issue was brought up.  Please notice that I did not bring up the issue that has turned into what it has.  I asked, very simply, if there was any particular sort of information you (generally meaning everyone who is a member and contributor to this project) would like to see added to the Rhydin Wiki Library.

I have, in my collection, several various definitions of terms that I thought would be useful.  These definitions consist of but are not limited to the wide variety of role-playing terms put together by Mutual Endeavors FAQ guru elf_fu.  Many of which I see are not currently listed in this database, but could be.

I understand that the point of this wiki is to document and catalogue everything Rhydin related.  Some of those role-playing definitions may be valid.  I also have other articles that are indeed valid to role-play in Rhydin, but as I recall there was much dispute over that and little patience for links to be made and points clear.

If you don't want my help, that's fine, but understand telling me to shove off defeats the purpose of this entire project.

[admin]

Dealing with the unfortunate behavior of a single argumentative member who cannot express himself/herself to our standards, when everyone else here does just fine, does not in any way defeat the purpose of this entire project any more than one member's point of view on roleplaying in Rhydin expresses the entire community's.  It is good that you have collected various definitions of roleplaying terms and that they will be a boon to roleplayers wherever they are published.

I am not interested in administering a breeding ground for the kind of debates you seem to want to hold here; if an admin has to spend so much time reiterating the guidelines at this site or the quality of articles we're looking to see written, an admin is spending less time actually contributing as a regular user to the wiki. 

If you feel at some point in the future you can express yourself constructively without resorting to arguments and unpleasant behavior, you may contact me at admin(at)rhydinwiki.com with your request and I will reconsider the terms of your vacation. 

[Panther]

I'm impolite and I make fun of everyone.  So says one of my LJ icons.

You have the right to be so. But you also have to take responsibility for what your actions cause.

Should Alysia and the Admin of this site use your actions outside of this site as a means of judging your behavior on this site? Mmm... Not sure I would say no to that one. You have a reputation of ripping in to people, personally, when they criticize you. You have a reputation of being argumentative past the point of being a worthwhile debate.

You like to toss out the stuff about democracies, in a democracy the vocal few do not take priority over the majority. This is a not a public facility in the sense of a government building such as your local library. This is a private service in the same sense as your Local McDonalds. McDonalds can refuse service to anyone for any reason barring issues such as racial discrimination and such.

You offered your services... they were ... well, maybe not politely, but they were rejected.

This site has been openly ... well, you've been and supported some rather vocal viewpoints against it. I don't know that the administrators of this site can't be excused for being wary of what seemed to be a sudden change of heart.

You can argue it wasn't handled in the best way... but at the end of the day I think your question has been answered.

[Natolii]

While I have not voice any concerns here to the Administration, I will voice them now.

You have no problems ripping up people in what you believe is your *freedom of speech.* You are sweet to their faces, but rip them up when you think you are free to do so and are not looking. That is not something that the administrator's of this site need or desire.

On many, many sites that do allow such freedoms, there is also a certain level of responsibility and maturity that needs to be exercised. However, *Freedom of Speech* is a right guaranteed in regards to the government and is not extended to private entities. You are bound by a Terms of Service that you agree to before you register for a website. You *chose* to say you will act in a manner that is in accordance with said Terms of Service.

You *chose* at this point, to break your contract (re: ToS) with this site. How is it that the majority of the members here can debate policies without earning a *time-out*?